All was well in heaven until Satan, a creature created by God, revolted.
Did God see this coming and why did the creator not stop this from happening?
If we say that God did see it coming, then there is no free will, and if there is, it is rendered pointless. Is God sitting back watching man destroy himself, knowing this is /was all avoidable? That man is being punished, for the flawed nature God created and is allowing to exist, Is it punishment for punishments sake? Did God know what would happen, and by allowing it to happen, is it a form of complacency in the crime, amounting to a provocateur. While sitting back watching a crime being committed or about to be committed. Rather than condemn and judge, would it not serve better to use such massive power to correct and perfect and save? Having a partner (Satan) hand a drug addict some heron, gambling on their life, and the outside possibility they will refuse the drug, and not get killed by it, or that other innocents will not get hurt, is somewhat questionable to say the least. And should the addict kill themselves or others in the process, is blaming the addict, for being created weak and flawed, enough, to rule out, allowing their temptation. What a sadistic and cruel loveless personality trait, in there creator...which being is more flawed? There are not many good things that can be said for a God that knowingly allows all this to happen, blaming children for being children (and the bible does make it clear that we are considered to be children, even as adults) punishing them for being found with there hand in the cookie jar, that was placed in front of them, knowing full well, no child could resist, rather than putting it out of reach.
And if God did not know what would happen, and is not all-knowing, then this would rewrite God as being fallible. If so, this is something that could be excused, but why allow it to continue?
At no-point in the bible does it say that God will kill or destroy the devil or the sinners, is this a miss guided sense of morality at play or is it impossible for God as the ultimate creator, to destroy that which God has made and allowed to exist. Would doing this be the fall of God...if even one human falls into the pit at times-end has Satan won, defeating God?
Ultimately the question is, is, God, allowing all this to happen or not, and either way God appears as a provocateur, to lose, by not knowing God looses, but is absolved to a degree. Not knowing is fine, but what happens if nothing is done to fix what has been done, once you know are you obligated to make it right? Would this inaction be the down fall of God. We could pretend to offer up our only son as a blood-payment, but what value has this, other than a political token to the masses, since the son knows death is only a temporary state, before inheriting everything, when you can talk to God and get direct answers, when you can see angles and have the power to perform miracles, walk on water and cast out demons heal the sick etc. The sacrifice becomes nothing more than a show. Like a human politician passivizing the masses by sending there son to war, knowing full well they will never see the front lines. Unlike humans, asked to die without ever knowing even a fraction of the truth. If even one human falls into the pit at times-end has Satan not won, defeating God, if even one human falls into the pit at times-end, after being judged and found guilty in advance, has Satan won, and in effect defeated God.
Why has God never offered humans that fail the impossible test, the option of death with out the petty burning and torturing in hell for eternity, resorting to such satanistic tactics as blackmailing, terrorising, and adding to there already written suffering, where is the mercy, is God ruled by the Gods of revenge, ego, pride?
If this is what it means to be an advanced being, all-knowing, then something is horribly amiss, even by human standards. Other than righteousness what distinguishes God, over Satan...or both, over man kind? Has man kind nothing more to look forward to than becoming a petty, judgemental, vengeful, sadistic, cruel, merciless, being…is this to be our next jump in evolution ether in heaven or hell? Condemned for what we have been created and allowed to be.
Something is horribly amiss, all the pieces are not fitting, we are in a room with two superior beings God and Satan, and it smells like a game of good cop bad cop. Some one is playing games, holding back, and I have a suspicion it is not the human race.
Something is amiss, If even one human falls into the pit at times-end, has Satan not won, and defeated God?
Did God see this coming and why did the creator not stop this from happening?
If we say that God did see it coming, then there is no free will, and if there is, it is rendered pointless. Is God sitting back watching man destroy himself, knowing this is /was all avoidable? That man is being punished, for the flawed nature God created and is allowing to exist, Is it punishment for punishments sake? Did God know what would happen, and by allowing it to happen, is it a form of complacency in the crime, amounting to a provocateur. While sitting back watching a crime being committed or about to be committed. Rather than condemn and judge, would it not serve better to use such massive power to correct and perfect and save? Having a partner (Satan) hand a drug addict some heron, gambling on their life, and the outside possibility they will refuse the drug, and not get killed by it, or that other innocents will not get hurt, is somewhat questionable to say the least. And should the addict kill themselves or others in the process, is blaming the addict, for being created weak and flawed, enough, to rule out, allowing their temptation. What a sadistic and cruel loveless personality trait, in there creator...which being is more flawed? There are not many good things that can be said for a God that knowingly allows all this to happen, blaming children for being children (and the bible does make it clear that we are considered to be children, even as adults) punishing them for being found with there hand in the cookie jar, that was placed in front of them, knowing full well, no child could resist, rather than putting it out of reach.
And if God did not know what would happen, and is not all-knowing, then this would rewrite God as being fallible. If so, this is something that could be excused, but why allow it to continue?
At no-point in the bible does it say that God will kill or destroy the devil or the sinners, is this a miss guided sense of morality at play or is it impossible for God as the ultimate creator, to destroy that which God has made and allowed to exist. Would doing this be the fall of God...if even one human falls into the pit at times-end has Satan won, defeating God?
Ultimately the question is, is, God, allowing all this to happen or not, and either way God appears as a provocateur, to lose, by not knowing God looses, but is absolved to a degree. Not knowing is fine, but what happens if nothing is done to fix what has been done, once you know are you obligated to make it right? Would this inaction be the down fall of God. We could pretend to offer up our only son as a blood-payment, but what value has this, other than a political token to the masses, since the son knows death is only a temporary state, before inheriting everything, when you can talk to God and get direct answers, when you can see angles and have the power to perform miracles, walk on water and cast out demons heal the sick etc. The sacrifice becomes nothing more than a show. Like a human politician passivizing the masses by sending there son to war, knowing full well they will never see the front lines. Unlike humans, asked to die without ever knowing even a fraction of the truth. If even one human falls into the pit at times-end has Satan not won, defeating God, if even one human falls into the pit at times-end, after being judged and found guilty in advance, has Satan won, and in effect defeated God.
Why has God never offered humans that fail the impossible test, the option of death with out the petty burning and torturing in hell for eternity, resorting to such satanistic tactics as blackmailing, terrorising, and adding to there already written suffering, where is the mercy, is God ruled by the Gods of revenge, ego, pride?
If this is what it means to be an advanced being, all-knowing, then something is horribly amiss, even by human standards. Other than righteousness what distinguishes God, over Satan...or both, over man kind? Has man kind nothing more to look forward to than becoming a petty, judgemental, vengeful, sadistic, cruel, merciless, being…is this to be our next jump in evolution ether in heaven or hell? Condemned for what we have been created and allowed to be.
Something is horribly amiss, all the pieces are not fitting, we are in a room with two superior beings God and Satan, and it smells like a game of good cop bad cop. Some one is playing games, holding back, and I have a suspicion it is not the human race.
Something is amiss, If even one human falls into the pit at times-end, has Satan not won, and defeated God?
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